♥  Ace of Clubs Bridge Club 2005

 

Bidding Panel - Answers April 2008- Marked by Neil Rosen

We start by welcoming our guest panellist this time around – Denise Miller


Hand 1: EW Game, Dealer East, Pairs
KJ9862
Q54
A8
A10
W
 

 
1
?
N

P
E
1

2

S
P

P

 

Marking: 2 = 10, 2 = 6, 3NT = 5, 3  = 2, 3 = 1

An old chestnut where at the club everyone bids 3 with a what’s the problem shrug?! The problem is that however much you want it to be forcing (indeed in the days before bidding boxes there was no problem – simply bellow out the 3 bid! Only joking of course… (not! Lol) 3 is NON-FORCING. Only Mrs Rosen falls into my cunningly laid trap (hello Dear! J)

Anne Rosen: 3 - I would have liked to be playing 5 Card Majors and bid 3clearly defined as forcing. However given that 2 would be constructive here, I think 3 should be forcing even in Acol style.

 

The majority all plump for bidding a 2-card suit – really as the  lesser of all evils. Some play a degree of artificiality here where over a rebid suit by opener the next step is an artificial game-force with other bids becoming non-forcing. This method has been popularised as the “Bourke Relay” and is indeed used by one of Britain’s top pairs; Tom Townsend and David Gold….

Jill Feldman: 2 - want to force here and 2 is less likely to get me into trouble than 2H!

David Bakhshi: 2 - though it is never desirable to introduce a two card suit, we have a series of unappealing options.  Bidding 3NT directly is fine in terms of values, but gives up on finding a spade fit, while a 4 bid could lead to a minus score with 3NT the best spot (we are too strong to bid 3, which shows invitational values).  This leaves us having to bid a red suit at the two level.  While we have more cards in hearts, there is still a possibility that partner has four cards in either red suit.  It therefore seems more dangerous bidding hearts, as partner is more likely to lock us into hearts than if he has support for diamonds.  If he gives preference to spades, I will bid 4.  Over any other call, I will bid 3, which should now be forcing to game.

Catherine Seale: 2 - I think this is forcing and whilst not ideal leaves space to find best contract.

Jeremy Dhondy: 2 - in my book 3♠ is not forcing in traditional methods and 3NT or 4♠ far too unilateral. If I played 1 - 2♠ as weak then I think 3♠ in this sequence would now be forcing and thus my choice, preferring to bid a 6 card suit to a two card suit.

Peter Crouch: 2 - no other choice given the methods. This and many other low level constructive auctions benefit from artificial continuations but require a certain warped mind. (You certainly have one Peter!)

Neill Harcus:  2 - believing this to be forcing for one round. 2 might be effective in deterring an opening lead but if partner has four cards then it will be hard to find out about the spade fit I am looking for.

Gail Hoffman:  2 - after a lot of deliberation I decided that 2 would be forcing showing a 5th spade and half way to finding a heart stop for 3NT

Steve Capal: 2 - I will lie here and bid 2 and see what happens next as 3 is non-forcing, then show my 6th spade later on.

 

Denise seems not to realise that in modern Acol (or indeed any other system) 2 is forcing here, so no need to play 3 as “even more forcing!”. I would personally advocate 3 to be a splinter agreeing clubs as I am sure would most of our panel if asked.

Denise Miller:  3 - not sure which game or even slam I want to be in yet I am rich in controls will force with 3 and wait developments.

Making a pragmatic “at the table” bid… well there’s a first time for everything!

Uriah Jacobson: 3NT - I want to keep all options open as I think game is on - but how? 2/ 3/3,  or 2-ugh! can be passed , 3, 3 misconstrued ?  A case for the Bourke Relay.  I choose 3NT in preference to 4♠.

 

 


Hand 2: EW Game, Dealer West, IMPs
KQ863
KQJ876
  -
KQ
W
1
4
?

 

N
P
P
 
E
1

4
 
S
P
P

Marking: 5 = 10, 5 = 8, 5 = 6, 4NT = 4, 4 = 2, P = 1

A problem that Jill set from a League match. She has just won the league DESPITE her poor effort on this board – so well done! The main thing to resolve/clarify for everyone is that you should NOT use Blackwood with a void, as the response will almost NEVER leave you well placed!

Peter Crouch: 5- for me 4 would be a void here, I guess most don’t distinguish. 5 must now be a void and partner should find it easy to bid a slam with 2 aces. If you care 4 is last train here not a cue bid for me, if you passed 4 the director is hovering.

The “Last train” reference is not main-stream but is a system coming more and more into vogue where in a cue-bidding auction if there is just one bid left below the trump suit a player may bid it as a positive noise, WITHOUT guaranteeing necessarily a control in this suit, to effectively make a positive noise towards a slam WITHOUT raising the bidding to the next (usually 5) –level.

Anne Rosen: 5 - I would like to be able to bid something exclusion(ish) but 5 confirming a diamond void seems like the next best thing to do. Can't think of a scientific way to find out if 7 is good or not.

Neill Harcus: 5 - showing the void and 2nd round club control.  Partner needs to take control to bid 6 (or find 7).

Catherine Seale: 5 - 4 should be a cue bid and (a la Mr Rosen) shortage should never be shown opposite partners known length in a suit so this promises the Ace. A 5 level contract should be safe and with either the spade or club ace partner will bid the slam.

Gail Hoffman: 5 - denying first round control in clubs and showing the diamond void.

Uriah Jacobson: 5 - Partner would not bid spades instead of Hearts with heart support, so 4 is a cue bid ( ? last train ) as 4 was clearly a splinter agreeing spades.  Unless playing 4NT as 'Rolling' I bid 5.

 

Showing acontrol, presumably on the basis that 5 would deny one….

David Bakhshi: 5 - while it is good news that partner has A and slam interest, it is dangerous to bid 4NT, as we will be guessing whether we can bid 7S opposite three key cards.  However, that leaves us with no perfect way to continue, as 5 will sound like we need a club control, while 5 may leave partner feeling that he has no room to manoeuvre.  My plan is to bid 5, and then settle for a small slam over 5 (A being a wasted value) or 5, but to bid 7 if partner can bid 6.

Jeremy Dhondy:   5 - the downside of this hand is no Ace. I could bid 5 but then partner with both major suit Aces might think I lacked a club control.

Trying hard not to win the league! ... (sorry Jill!)

Jill Feldman: 4NT - WRONG! I had this hand and was sure partner had the Ace of hearts. Keycard told me two aces so I bid the slam.  Off  two aces. Small consolation that they got it wrong in the other room so it was a flat board L.

 

Taking a very dim view of what to me is a quite amazing hand. Surely we should be investigating whether a small or EVEN a grand slam may be on following partner’s 4 bid….Denise this is NOT A SITUATION where you should be able to pass! Your 4 bid UNAMBIGUOUSLY agreed . Partner must be able to make a slam try without fear that the auction will end!

Denise Miller: Pass - although I have a nice hand I have no Aces so will not investigate a slam.

Really cautious once partner has co-operated with 4. Make no mistake -partner’s 4 bid is NOT an attempt to play there, it is an encouraging noise in case a slam may be on. Traditional methodology would have it as a cue-bid, showing control in hearts, whilst some of the more modern and scientific members of the panel are now playing it as “last train”.

Steve Capal: 4 - sounds like partner has too many values in diamonds and couldn't bid 5 and partner is still there!

 

 


Hand 3: EW Game, Dealer South,IMPs

92
AQ8
Q10763
AQ3
W

1

?

 
N

1

 

 

E
 
X
 
S
1
P

 

Marking: 2 = 10, 2 = 6, 2 =  5, 2 = 1

A very tough little problem. I will leave David to put the case for the top scoring bid here…

David Bakhshi: 2 - following partner’s double, we have two things to consider – which is our best strain, and which zone we are in?  Bidding NT would be more attractive with a better spade holding, and partner is likely to have at least five hearts given our values and the fact that both opponents are bidding.  If she does hold five hearts, we are not likely to have many losers, but may struggle to win 10 tricks.  In the unlikely event that partner can try for game, I will of course accept.

Catherine Seale: 2- can't rebid diamonds and without a spade stopper I think this is the only option.

Peter Crouch: 2 -heart short but a good hand, 2♣ would be natural for me unless agreed otherwise.

Neill Harcus: 2 - nowhere else to go and the quality of the heart suit makes up for there being only 3.  Partner is showing hearts here.

Denise Miller: 2 - partner has 4 hearts, maybe 5 but not much more than 5/7 hcps as both opponents are bidding.

Steve Capal: 2 - for me, 4-3 fit is cool.

Uriah Jacobson: 2 - I am good for that bid, but not good enough for 2.

Showing a good hand but with the final denomination as yet unknown…

Jeremy Dhondy: 2 -   partner will have at least 4 hearts for this. If he has 5 I am a bit good to bid a simple 2. And if he doesn’t Jeremy?

Anne Rosen: 2 - UCB for something and waiting to see what partner bids.

Showing strength in a different fashion. When choosing to bid one of two opponent’s suits as a strength showing bid the question is often asked…which suit should I bid? My answer is generally the one in which you have more values – making 2 a better effort than 2 on this occasion. 2 is also more economical.

Jill Feldman: 2 - I don't know?! We could have game in hearts or No Trumps. Hope to hear something encouraging from partner.

Let’s try to hide this next answer from all our readers out there (both of them J). Gail - overcalling on Q10xxx is not exactly gilt-edged but to REBID them! You’ve got to be kidding me….

Gail Hoffman: 2 - don't like 2, not strong enough for 2, so back to 2

 


Hand 4: Game All, Dealer East, Pairs

-
AQJ1064
765
♣ 9752
W

1NT
?

N

2
E
1

3

 

S
P
4

 

Marking: 4 = 10, 5 = 7, X = 4

A hand from the Easter congress where my partner made a hungry double which was only one off with 6 cold for our side. It really should be possible to diagnose a) that partner is extremely short in and b) that a contract will prove to be easy. Partner held AJ10xxxx, Kxx, AKQ, -

Anne Rosen: 4 - I am not making a Mrs Rosen X again! J

Jill Feldman: 4 - it looks that they're trying to make our life difficult! I think I should make a noise in hearts and pass if partner rebids his spades which must be pretty solid for his bidding to now.

Peter Crouch: 4 - although I am tempted to make a penalty double just to annoy the conductor. What an easy going chap like me?!

Gail Hoffman: 4 - partner is likely to have a void or singleton in clubs so has to have some heart support

Denise Miller: 4 - partner is hopefully void of clubs so I can cross-ruff spades and clubs - would be a shame to let these lovely hearts go to waste.

Uriah Jacobson: 4 - I like a 1-loser suit for the 3 bid, but that is not universal. I could pass or double and hope to take a penalty, but partner is likely to hold at least 2 hearts and at most a singleton club, so I bid 4 – to play!  Even slam could be on eg.  AKQxxx/ Kxx / Kxxx/ void, but I can’t see a route ?? 5 !!

Not really getting to grips with the full scale of the problem….

Catherine Seale: X -.... and pray!

Jeremy Dhondy: X - I have 4 trumps, an Ace and a void in partner’s suit.

Neill Harcus: X - as partner is on lead.  4 must be natural and would be more attractive if I was leading against 4 doubled.  We don’t want to defend 4 undoubled so pass is not an option (don’t think partner is likely to be bidding again).

Steve Capal:  X - double   just!

Showing fantastic appreciation of the true worth of the hand. Hang on a minute David… you played at Easter – has that amazing memory of  your’s been working overtime again?!!!

David Bakhshi: 5 - partner clearly has a good hand with very short clubs, so there must be a good chance that we can make a slam.  If I had to guess the final contract, I would bid 6, but I hope that I can involve partner in the decision and allow her some leeway for her 3 bid in competition.

 

 


Hand 5: Game All, Dealer West, Pairs
A8743
103
Q62
A87
W
P
1♠
?

 

N
P
P

 

E
1
2
S
P
P

 

Marking: 2 = 10, 2 = 9, 2NT = 6

A little surprised by this one... I expected more people to trade on the fact that they had passed initially to use the 4th suit as I would most certainly have done myself. Instead the majority go for a distinctly timid false preference bid with a full 10-count including 2 aces AND a 5-card suit. As a non-passed hand I would have been with them though…

Anne Rosen: 2 - false preference, hopefully partner will bid again with 16/18s. Close decision between 2 FSF and 2, on the basis that 2 only forcing to 2NT.  There seem to be more problems with all the other options 3 (don't have 4 card support); 2NT (this is not even a good 10 and I prefer 11).

Jill Feldman: 2 - looks like a non-fitting hand so don't want to stretch to bid 2NT. Happy to bid game if partner makes a move.

Jeremy Dhondy: 2 - as I am a passed hand I can consider 2 4th suit but I don’t think I am quite worth it.

Neill Harcus: 2 - which keeps the auction open. Anything else seems a gross overbid.

Denise Miller: 2 - poor intermediates in this hand I will just bid 2 (false-preference) if partner is big he/she will carry on.

Uriah Jacobson: 2 - yes, 2 Aces are nice but I don't like the quality of the hand, so 2.

Spot on for me and expressing my views in eloquent style…

David Bakhshi: 2 - I think this problem would be tougher had we not passed as dealer, as we don’t have an ideal diamond holding for a 2NT bid, yet have sufficient values to try for game.  However, as a passed hand, a bid of the fourth suit should express our hand well – a maximum pass with no fit for partner and not ideally suited to bidding 2NT.

Catherine Seale: 2 - as a passed hand partner isn't going to expect much more. Keeps the bidding open in case partner is strong for his bidding and allows space to find best major fit.

Peter Crouch: 2 - I had this hand and bid 2 at the table, too good for 2 in my view and not good enough for 2NT, will pass partners next bid unless he raises 4th suit or jumps (FG).

Gail Hoffman: 2 - 4th suit trying to find out a bit more about partner’s hand.

On his own – so what’s new?! But not far off the mark really.

Steve Capal:  2NT -  yuk!! a very slow quiet 2NT?

 

 


Hand 6: Game All, Dealer North, IMPs
AJ86542
7
K106
Q3

W

 1♠
 
?

N
P
3
 

 

E
1
4
 
N
1
P
 

Marking: 4NT = 10, 5 = 7, 5 = 6, 5NT = 6, 4 = 5,

A hand from this year’s European trials semi-final though I do not still possess the full details. Partner’s 4 bid MUST agree so this hand offers a great chance of slam. Some effort must be made therefore but how to go about it….

Spot on for me in terms of evaluation and pragmatism  are the following….

Anne Rosen: 4NT - RKCB on basis partner has a good 4  bid, slam is certainly a prospect with my seven spades.

David Bakhshi: 4NT - partner’s 4 bid is consistent with a high card raise to 4, over which we have clear slam interest.  Given that the most likely reason to avoid  slam is a lack of key cards, 4NT seems the best way to discover whether we have enough to bid 6, or even try for 7 opposite something like – Kxxx, Ax, Ax, AKxxx.

Jeremy Dhondy: 4NT - RKCB. I seem to have a good hand.

Peter Crouch: 4NT - Roman Key Card, really need partner to have ♣K but I think that is quite likely.

Neill Harcus: 4NT - which I assume to be Keycard.

Denise Miller: 4NT - need to know about partners’ controls, my K is protected partner should have club honours can always sign off in 5.

Judging poorly….

Jill Feldman: 4 -  yuk. It certainly feels like there is a slam to be bid here, but I don't know how to find it! I don’t think signing off in 4 is really likely to get the job done Jill!.

Gail Hoffman: 4 - tempting to look for a slam but not really strong enough.

Making a general try but consuming a lot of space without really conveying very much specific information, thus really leaving partner still guessing…

Catherine Seale: 5- I was only going to bid 4 but then I thought this was a bit wimpish. Partner could have Kxx, x, Axx, AKxxxx or something similar.

Making a try towards the slam at least, but surely showing 1st not 2nd round control in Steve!

Steve Capal: 5 - for me JUST in case.

 

Aha! A chance for a complicated bid and Uriah grabs it with both hands! The 5NT bid here for the uninitiated is called “pick-a-slam”. Ie when there is some ambiguity as to the potential trump suit in a slam auction, the modern approach is to use the 5NT bid as inviting partner to choose a possible denomination at the 6-level.

Uriah Jacobson: 5NT - East had several ways of competing, so why 4?  Have N/S really 11 or 12 hearts between them?  If East is making a slam try in clubs, he should only have approximately 8 playing tricks. If I bid only 4 and partner were to bid 5♣, I would raise to 6♣, so I bid 5NT – choice of 6♣ / 6.

 

 


Hand 7: EW Game, Dealer North, Pairs
4
QJ108642
J73
93
W

?
N
P
 

 

E
1

 
S
P
 

 

Marking: 1NT = 10, P = 8, 2 = 5

No panellist actually chose 2 somewhat to my surprise. I don’t mind it at all myself though I confess that I would be with the 1NT bidders at the table. Passing is just SO defeatist!

Anne Rosen: 1NT - slightly playing the field but as no opponents have bid it sounds like partner has a strong NT type hand in which case 1NT will probably not be worse than 1. Also if partner bids 2 minor over 1NT I can get to hearts.

Jill Feldman: 1NT - anything else would be an overbid especially with my stiff spade. Would actually quite like to pass (which is probably the correct answer).

David Bakhshi: 1NT  -  can’t bring myself to pass, when we could go down in 1 with 4 making.   Should be able to handle any continuation.  I think the toughest decision will be whether to bid 3 over 2, and while my hand will be a disappointing dummy, think we lack the values to bid 3, so would likely pass.

Jeremy Dhondy: 1NT - this could go horribly wrong. I shall follow through if partner bids 2♠ and bid 3. At teams the risk of a penalty is a bit much but at pairs contracting for 1♠ doesn’t seem likely to give a good result and a lot of the time they will have too many spades to protect

Peter Crouch: 1NT - would never pass at IMPS, could be right to pass here but not really my style.

Neill Harcus: 1NT - this may avoid a nasty minus score in spades.   With the other major sewn up it’s more likely that the opponents will pass out if I don’t bid.

Hedging his bets…. I am marking this as a 1NT response though clearly Uriah would like to have alternative methods available. These are not however part of the Ace of Clubs standard system.

Uriah Jacobson: 1NT - I have not passed therefore fit jumps do not apply.  I  would like to bid 4, but that would be a  splinter.  If 3 is weak, that is my bid.  If not, I am left with a cheating 1NT - now any Heart bid by me should be NATURAL and weak.

Here come the pessimists! Bet they wouldn’t bid like this at the table! J

Catherine Seale: Pass - the last thing I want to play in is 1NT with no entry into this hand. Hope the bidding won't die and might get a chance to bid hearts.

Gail Hoffman: Pass - if the opponents enter the bidding then I will show my hearts

Denise Miller: Pass - and pray for a double on partner’s next bid.

Steve Capal: Pass - whenever I bid on these hands I end up in trouble!

 

 

 


Hand 8: Love All, Dealer West, Pairs
KQ6
8
AKJ76
8765
W
1
2
?
N
 P
 P
E
 1
3

 
S
P
P

 

Marking: 3NT = 10, 4 = 6, 4 = 5, 4 = 3

I really set this problem to have a look at what most people now play a jump in the 4th suit to be. The majority view is as some sort of agreement for the last bid suit and showing either a control or a splinter in the 4th suit by arrangement.

Anne Rosen: 3NT - working on the basis that 3 is a splinter agreeing clubs (but it may be a control) it makes sense to bid 3NT to highlight wasted values and to steer away from playing a 4-4 club fit with my anaemic suit . If partner has 5 clubs he probably won't be dissuaded.

Catherine Seale: 3NT - with my various partners a jump in Fourth suit agrees the 3rd suit and shows a stopper (eh?...a stopper what on earth do you mean Catherine. I can understand a splinter or a control but a STOPPER?!!!)  so I think 3NT is the obvious bid here. Without this agreement I still think this is probably right. If the jump showed a splinter partner can still remove with an unsuitable hand.

Jeremy Dhondy: 3NT - in my book 3♠ is a splinter for clubs but if it shows 5-6 I probably haven’t done the right thing.

Peter Crouch: 3NT - clubs too weak and spades too  slow to consider other options.

Neill Harcus: 3NT - it seems foolish at pairs to go past this.  Partner can take my spade values into account before looking for 5 or a slam.

Gail Hoffman: 3NT - most logical bid since it shows my hand.

Judging 3 to be a splinter is the first part of this problem. If that is what you decide I believe you really ought to dampen partner’s enthusiasm by bidding 3NT to show a hoped-for double stopper. Anything else for me is simply too likely to encourage partner to go overboard, or simply you might play in 5 with 3 top losers with 3NT a better prospect….

Jill Feldman: 4 - another hand I got wrong at the table. I knew that we play a jump in the fourth suit shows a control, but naively thought that was first round control. I now know better - it is a control bid, but most often a splinter. Anyway later on in the hand I bid to 6 which as you may have guessed by now didn't make.

David Bakhshi: 4 - assuming that 3 is a splinter, it's tempting to bid 3NT, but I am concerned that 3NT will be in danger if North holds A.  Given the opponents hold nine spades, it seems quite likely that North holds Axxx, given that neither opponent was able to make a non-vulnerable overcall.  While it is possible that we have more than nine top tricks in NT, I think it is likely that slam will often be no worse than 3NT.  Give partner x, Axxxx, xx, AKxxx for example and we would rather be in 6 than 3NT, and will often go down in 3NT with 5 making if clubs are 3-1.  Though my bad trumps argue for caution, I feel that we have just too much to simply bid 5 though, and so bid 4 along the way just in case. 

The following panellists seem to expect 3 to be natural and presumably also forcing, though invitational is also a treatment I have seen some pairs use.

Denise Miller: 4 - cannot play in 3NT since clubs too poor so will play in 4/3 fit if necessary.

Steve Capal: 4 - NOT 3NT as I like to play a jump into the 4th suit is a 2- suiter expecting my usual score and wow a hard lot this time!!

On his own…(again!). Why on earth 5678 should be stressed is quite beyond me!

Uriah Jacobson: 4♣ - I am not sure that I would have bid 2. Any 4-card major, yes, but these Clubs??  3NT with ♠KQ10  ok, but here I bid 4 ( I don’t think this is a situation where the Principle of Fast Arrival should apply).

 

To sum up I believe that the majority viewpoint is the best approach for most players to use – ie. A jump in the 4th suit should generally be a splinter agreeing the last bid suit. Old-fashioned approach was to play it as EITHER a control (1st or 2nd round) OR a splinter – but I really believe this to be unplayable.

 

 


Results

Hands

1

2

3

4

5

6

7

8

Score

  Peter Crouch

2

5

2

4

  2  4NT

1NT

3NT

79

Neill Harcus

2

5

2

X

2

4NT

1NT

3NT

74

  David Bakhshi   2   5   2   5   2  4NT

1NT

4

70
  Jeremy Dhondy   2   5

2♣

X

2

4NT

1NT

3NT

68

Anne Rosen

3♠

5

2

4

2

4NT

1NT

3NT

68

  Catherine Seale

2

5

2

X

  2

5♠

P

3NT

68

Uriah Jacobson

3NT

5

2

4

2

5NT

1NT

4

64

Gail Hoffman

2

5

2

4

  2

4

P

3NT

63

Jill Feldman

  2

4NT

2♠

4

2

4

1NT

4

60

Denise Miller

3

P

2

4

2

4NT

P

 4

55

  Steve Capal

2